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geordiesouth · 13-07-2013, 12:02

And email I did. Any explanation required by myself to Miss Olivia having been done in private.
If Miss Olivia wishes to share what I wrote with Mistress Adore..... Then that is entirely her choice.
As for me I have nothing more to say on the matter or feel I need to justify myself to anyone, everyone and one person in particular.

Rehrednu · 13-07-2013, 14:49

At the risk of stating the obvious paying for a first session with someone youve never met also represents a risk. I expect most of us have done that.

In many ways I think I would feel better placed to assess if a woman was likely to be a Mistress that I would want to return to time and again after an extended social meeting at which we could talk in detail than after a first session at similar cost.

As I like to establish a connection with my Mistress and prefer longer standing relationships, I might consider asking to meet this lady if I felt I could afford the tribute in the long term (and I was looking for a new Mistress). If I'm not in that league financially, that doesn't mean her tributes are unreasonable for those who are.

Mistress Adore · 13-07-2013, 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by geordiesouth

And email I did. Any explanation required by myself to Miss Olivia having been done in private.
If Miss Olivia wishes to share what I wrote with Mistress Adore..... Then that is entirely her choice.
As for me I have nothing more to say on the matter or feel I need to justify myself to anyone, everyone and one person in particular.

I see no reason why Miss Olivia should share private emails between the two of you with me, it is no business of mine.

I asked a legitimate question, based on having been on the other side of the coin many times, having gents contact me, discuss my website, my ethos ect for no other reason than they want to chat to a Mistress, now i am often fine with that, the only reason i asked the question both here and in the DoI is to see if it is common practice between gents to do this ?

I admit i did not see the merit in starting this thread, in the information sought section of the site when there was no intention of visiting, hence once again my asking the question.
This is however only my own personal opinion, i am sure some will disagree with me.

There is no ethos or set way of how anyone should contact another, but i guess unless you have been on the receiving side of a lot of mails, texts, pm's, you can not get a true feel for just how much time these can take up.

I have not tried to infer the OP was wasting the lady in questions time, as i have said i do not know, or wish to know the nature of the emails mentioned, so i would try not to infer anything, as has also been said some contact a Mistress to compliment her website, that is not wasting time, in my view.

More questions for DoI i do believe.

MrBromley · 13-07-2013, 15:55

Well it is good that Olivia has posted here to give us some more insight into what it is that she does and her take on the world of domming.

What comes to mind from that is "it's domination, Jim, but not as we know it" (to mangle a phrase from the very first Star Trek - those of a certain age will know what I mean).

Saying it is lifestyle, because it is longer than the 'typical' 1 hour session is a distinction that doesn't hold to me. There are many who would say that only non-paid for domination is lifestyle, although I'm not one of them.

I get the feeling that there's a bit of an implication or attitude that this type of domination is somehow superior to what other people do. The people who paying are somehow not clients, they are somehow supposedly better than that. Perhaps that's not what is intended, but if it is, I think it is a bit insulting.

I've got absolutely nothing against what's being offered. No quibble with the fee. No quibble with the process.

But let's not put this in a category that is somehow 'superior' to what other people do.

It is just a case of everyone has their own taste, style and preferences.

13-07-2013, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Miss Olivia Fitzgerald

Lisal- Fundamentally, the introductory meeting is still my time and that time is tributed. If I offered a refundable fee, then I would attract timewasters wanting to meet with me just for the sake of a lovely time with me -for free. The major point of the fee is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Well first up thank you very much for such a long and detailed answer

In terms of the above comment I do get where you are coming from. However, it doesn't take account of the situation where you meet someone who is perfectly genuine but it is clear that the two of you are just not compatible. Are there any occasions where you accept that this is so and you think it fair to refund the £250

I don't have any issues with the idea of meeting before. I did it myself with a domme who was perfectly happy to meet up for a drink - we had half an hour together - we both had a glass of wine which I paid for - and then we agreed to session

Your way of working is your way of working and if it is positive for you and your clients then that is all good - which is where I agree with Lady Anna and Lady Annisa

Beyond that I am with with Mr Bromley. I session with a lady who treats me very much as you have explained to hawkwindboy - the idea of charging for a meet would bring a smile to he face

As ever YKIOK

13-07-2013, 21:11

First thank you Miss Olivia Fitzgerald for taking the time to post here on UKM

I think the key point here is there is no right or wrong in the way a Mistress conducts how she the first and subsequent meetings with a sub (client) likewise we subs (clients) also have a free choice to accept those terms a Mistress operate or not.

14-07-2013, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by slavejames

Only a total idiotic fool would agree to her conditions, not for me in a million light years

Well it's not for me either but I wouldn't agree with the idiotic fool comment

We all work in our own ways and I think it is worth saying that the sort of person that Miss Fitzgerald is aiming to see is in (most likely anyway) a different financial league to most of us who post here. The suggested monthly rate makes my eyes water - and that is not in any way a criticism

They will have their own filters, wants and way of working. In addition, £250 may well have a different value to them than to us UKMers

As has been said by many on this thread Miss Fitzgerald has her own method and it is entirely her choice (and that of those she sees) in working with this pre meeting fee. It isn't something that appeals to me but I, certainly, would not dream of criticising her or her clients for this

Lady Anna · 14-07-2013, 07:58

Exactly Lisal.

I think the meeting fee is extremely reasonable in relation to the rest of the fee structure for the type of experience available.

It makes perfect sense to pay a little to ensure compatibility and confidence for the greater experience. These experiences cannot possibly be compared to the usual services provided by other PDs so nor can the fees or the initial meeting fee be commented on.

jo nep · 14-07-2013, 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisal

Well it's not for me either but I wouldn't agree with the idiotic fool comment

We all work in our own ways and I think it is worth saying that the sort of person that Miss Fitzgerald is aiming to see is in (most likely anyway) a different financial league to most of us who post there. The suggested monthly rate makes me eyes water - and that is not in any way a criticism

They will have their own filters, wants and way of working. In addition, £250 may well have a different value to them than to us UKMers

As has been said by many on this thread Miss Fitzgerald has her own method and it is entirely her choice (and that of those she sees) in working with this pre meeting fee. It isn't something that appeals to me but I, certainly, would not dream of criticising her or her clients for this

I agree. The filters are clearly working. That single filter has eliminated 'us poor folk' and that leaves the Mistress time to deal with her 'real' target audience.

Very clever advertising ploy.

Lady Annisa · 14-07-2013, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jo nep

Very clever advertising ploy.

I don't believe it to be 'an advertising ploy'!

Ploy......

Noun
A cunning plan or action designed to turn a situation to one's own advantage.
Synonyms
trick

I believe it to be a different business model, one that is unusual but in no way is it a means to advertise or trick someone. There is a big difference between being different (and I applaud anyone who is) and using something to trick someone.

Why, when the lady says her business model works for her, and works for the gentlemen who like to engage with her, do some people find it so obscene or obscure that they think it's all a ploy? The lady is absolutely upfront and transparent about how her interactions work.

I'm puzzled.....

13-07-2013, 15:55	#24
MrBromley Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 369 Reputation: 40	Well it is good that Olivia has posted here to give us some more insight into what it is that she does and her take on the world of domming. What comes to mind from that is "it's domination, Jim, but not as we know it" (to mangle a phrase from the very first Star Trek - those of a certain age will know what I mean). Saying it is lifestyle, because it is longer than the 'typical' 1 hour session is a distinction that doesn't hold to me. There are many who would say that only non-paid for domination is lifestyle, although I'm not one of them. I get the feeling that there's a bit of an implication or attitude that this type of domination is somehow superior to what other people do. The people who paying are somehow not clients, they are somehow supposedly better than that. Perhaps that's not what is intended, but if it is, I think it is a bit insulting. I've got absolutely nothing against what's being offered. No quibble with the fee. No quibble with the process. But let's not put this in a category that is somehow 'superior' to what other people do. It is just a case of everyone has their own taste, style and preferences. __________________ Certified grade II listed weirdo

14-07-2013, 07:58	#28
Lady Anna Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,827 Reputation: 105	Exactly Lisal. I think the meeting fee is extremely reasonable in relation to the rest of the fee structure for the type of experience available. It makes perfect sense to pay a little to ensure compatibility and confidence for the greater experience. These experiences cannot possibly be compared to the usual services provided by other PDs so nor can the fees or the initial meeting fee be commented on. __________________ "Never waste your time trying to explain who you are to people who are committed to misunderstanding you.” - Unknown The Anna List Medical Fetish Clinic - Extreme Breath Play, Realistic Medical Play Medical Mistress & Breathplay Specialist

13-07-2013, 12:02	#21
geordiesouth Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 7,264 Reputation: 108	And email I did. Any explanation required by myself to Miss Olivia having been done in private. If Miss Olivia wishes to share what I wrote with Mistress Adore..... Then that is entirely her choice. As for me I have nothing more to say on the matter or feel I need to justify myself to anyone, everyone and one person in particular.

13-07-2013, 14:49	#22
Rehrednu Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Midlands Posts: 318 Reputation: 60	At the risk of stating the obvious paying for a first session with someone youve never met also represents a risk. I expect most of us have done that. In many ways I think I would feel better placed to assess if a woman was likely to be a Mistress that I would want to return to time and again after an extended social meeting at which we could talk in detail than after a first session at similar cost. As I like to establish a connection with my Mistress and prefer longer standing relationships, I might consider asking to meet this lady if I felt I could afford the tribute in the long term (and I was looking for a new Mistress). If I'm not in that league financially, that doesn't mean her tributes are unreasonable for those who are.

13-07-2013, 21:11	#26
reefknot Guest Posts: n/a	First thank you Miss Olivia Fitzgerald for taking the time to post here on UKM I think the key point here is there is no right or wrong in the way a Mistress conducts how she the first and subsequent meetings with a sub (client) likewise we subs (clients) also have a free choice to accept those terms a Mistress operate or not.