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subparman · 06-01-2017, 10:16

I'm with Platelicker on that Miss Martinet. I am sure your analogy is correct of some subs, may be many but not all. There are surely many here and elsewhere who are genuine and respectful of what a Mistress values her time and skills at as well as her premises etc.

Equally, I have contacted a few Mistresses who have given short shrift on the phone and been rather abrupt and non communicative too say the least, perhaps I have called them on a bad day, maybe someone else has just pissed them off or whatever. Unfortunately I don't know that and have, and will in the future, decide that I don't want to visit them however wonderful their website, photos, reputation is - if we don't hit it off on the phone there is a high probability we wont in session. Sadly, they are not few and far between.

I will go out of my way in terms of time / distance and pay a higher tribute to a Mistress who displays a more pleasant, friendly and enthusiastic demeanour towards my enquiry/interests and actually sounds like she would like to session with me. Invariably this transmits in to session and over the years I have been privileged to have some wonderful sessions with some wonderful ladies, some of whom have welcomed and entrusted me in their homes outside of session.

It would seem to me that not all subs can come under that sweeping generalisation you made as many Mistresses prosper with tributes at the top end of the market. There will be subs on all income levels, some will pay high tributes some wont or are unable to.

In reality, we are all made differently. In business I get work from about 1 in 10 of the clients I have to go and meet, sometimes travelling half the length of the country. Of the other 9 perhaps 4 have a genuine interest and the other 5 I know after the first 5 minutes I am unlikely to get work from - I still have to smile and go through the process because history has taught me I can't be judgemental because very occasionally I have been proven wrong.

I guess for a Mistress it is a case of sorting the wheat from the chaff as they say, though I appreciate it must be difficult maintaining the smile and friendly persona. Hopefully a large % of us are genuine and appreciative of a Mistresses's true value and skills.

MissMartinet · 06-01-2017, 10:36

"Men want" is certainly a generalisation. I am a man and I do not want any of those.[/quote]

Sure you're a representative sample, licker?

platelicker · 06-01-2017, 10:49

"Sure you're a representative sample" Quote Miss Martinet.

I have no idea. Maybe you are a better judge of that, than me.

I wonder whether any of us are a representative sample because I suspect that we are all different, in the same way that, in my experience, each Mistress is different.

Maybe it would have been better if you had used the word "Some" before "men" in your post that we are discussing. Possibly even "Most men in my experience want (1) ....". Without such qualification, your post implies all men and that is certainly not correct.

ex nihilo · 06-01-2017, 11:15

Not sure why its necessary for individual preferences for chambers to be stated in such definitive and proselytising fashion. There must be positives (and negatives) in any/all arrangements. The only thing that really matters is what qualities a pro-Domme brings into play, how she plies her art and how we respond to her. So, City, rural, owned, rented, indoor, outdoor is all going to be fine, if the connection is right.

Trouble is when you get too judgemental about the way others work, it loses a great deal of perspective, for it’s no longer an attempt to define them but a definition of yourself instead…

MissMartinet · 06-01-2017, 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex nihilo

Not sure why its necessary for individual preferences for chambers to be stated in such definitive and proselytising fashion. There must be positives (and negatives) in any/all arrangements. The only thing that really matters is what qualities a pro-Domme brings into play, how she plies her art and how we respond to her. So, City, rural, owned, rented, indoor, outdoor is all going to be fine, if the connection is right.

Trouble is when you get too judgemental about the way others work, it loses a great deal of perspective, for it’s no longer an attempt to define them but a definition of yourself instead…

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MissMartinet · 06-01-2017, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by platelicker

"Sure you're a representative sample" Quote Miss Martinet.

I have no idea. Maybe you are a better judge of that, than me.

I wonder whether any of us are a representative sample because I suspect that we are all different, in the same way that, in my experience, each Mistress is different.

Maybe it would have been better if you had used the word "Some" before "men" in your post that we are discussing. Possibly even "Most men in my experience want (1) ....". Without such qualification, your post implies all men and that is certainly not correct.

Perhaps men who try to attract more dommes on their forum should then dedicate less wordcount to excessively criticising them on random criteria; then I'll adjust my syntax, yeah? OK.

Slutty Rimmer · 06-01-2017, 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex nihilo

Not sure why its necessary for individual preferences for chambers to be stated in such definitive and proselytising fashion. There must be positives (and negatives) in any/all arrangements. The only thing that really matters is what qualities a pro-Domme brings into play, how she plies her art and how we respond to her. So, City, rural, owned, rented, indoor, outdoor is all going to be fine, if the connection is right.

Trouble is when you get too judgemental about the way others work, it loses a great deal of perspective, for it’s no longer an attempt to define them but a definition of yourself instead…

I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with definitions. It has though a lot to do with the practicalities of space and time and money, and we are all of us in some way or another confined and bounded by those constraints*.

There is no reason why shared premises cannot work well, and I have attempted on numerous times to prove myself right but have always come away defeated. Therefore I am now more inclined to follow the lure of a Mistress spider who spins and sins and sits at the centre of her own silken web.

There is nothing definite about this, but it does work for usually being more practical to me. Ultimately details matter and precision is important, because things eventually cease working otherwise.

Kind Regards,
Page 130.

* As you probably well know, it is only the application of boundary conditions that permits an infinity of possibilities to resolve out to a few real world solutions. Bizarrely enough, it is the limits which allow us to exist out of the improbability of anything and everything. It's in the mathematics you know, the quantum states.

ex nihilo · 06-01-2017, 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissMartinet

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Slutty Rimmer · 06-01-2017, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissMartinet

Perhaps men who try to attract more dommes on their forum should then dedicate less wordcount to excessively criticising them on random criteria; then I'll adjust my syntax, yeah? OK.

Excessive ? Criticise ? Random ? Random ??

I don't no wot skool you went at, but you have a strange way of spelling 'occasional' 'comment' and 'reasoned' ? Lest we forget, this is a forum where discourse is encouraged and opinions are challenged. It is not the impenetrable fortress of Twitter.

Legitimate opinions and concerns should not be so readily dismissed by exaggeration.

Random indeed !

Kind Regards,
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platelicker · 06-01-2017, 19:24

So is this the sort of discourse that we should discourage if we want to attract more Mistresses to the Board?

06-01-2017, 10:16	#21
subparman Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 494 Reputation: 59	I'm with Platelicker on that Miss Martinet. I am sure your analogy is correct of some subs, may be many but not all. There are surely many here and elsewhere who are genuine and respectful of what a Mistress values her time and skills at as well as her premises etc. Equally, I have contacted a few Mistresses who have given short shrift on the phone and been rather abrupt and non communicative too say the least, perhaps I have called them on a bad day, maybe someone else has just pissed them off or whatever. Unfortunately I don't know that and have, and will in the future, decide that I don't want to visit them however wonderful their website, photos, reputation is - if we don't hit it off on the phone there is a high probability we wont in session. Sadly, they are not few and far between. I will go out of my way in terms of time / distance and pay a higher tribute to a Mistress who displays a more pleasant, friendly and enthusiastic demeanour towards my enquiry/interests and actually sounds like she would like to session with me. Invariably this transmits in to session and over the years I have been privileged to have some wonderful sessions with some wonderful ladies, some of whom have welcomed and entrusted me in their homes outside of session. It would seem to me that not all subs can come under that sweeping generalisation you made as many Mistresses prosper with tributes at the top end of the market. There will be subs on all income levels, some will pay high tributes some wont or are unable to. In reality, we are all made differently. In business I get work from about 1 in 10 of the clients I have to go and meet, sometimes travelling half the length of the country. Of the other 9 perhaps 4 have a genuine interest and the other 5 I know after the first 5 minutes I am unlikely to get work from - I still have to smile and go through the process because history has taught me I can't be judgemental because very occasionally I have been proven wrong. I guess for a Mistress it is a case of sorting the wheat from the chaff as they say, though I appreciate it must be difficult maintaining the smile and friendly persona. Hopefully a large % of us are genuine and appreciative of a Mistresses's true value and skills. Last edited by subparman; 06-01-2017 at 10:23. Reason: Typo

06-01-2017, 10:36	#22
MissMartinet Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 130 Reputation: 29	"Men want" is certainly a generalisation. I am a man and I do not want any of those.[/quote] Sure you're a representative sample, licker? __________________ Eris Martinet Website. CLIPS TWITTER

06-01-2017, 11:15	#24
ex nihilo Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 6,537 Reputation: 31	Whatever she brings, I sing... Not sure why its necessary for individual preferences for chambers to be stated in such definitive and proselytising fashion. There must be positives (and negatives) in any/all arrangements. The only thing that really matters is what qualities a pro-Domme brings into play, how she plies her art and how we respond to her. So, City, rural, owned, rented, indoor, outdoor is all going to be fine, if the connection is right. Trouble is when you get too judgemental about the way others work, it loses a great deal of perspective, for it’s no longer an attempt to define them but a definition of yourself instead… __________________ “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.”

06-01-2017, 10:49	#23
platelicker Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 667 Reputation: 39	"Sure you're a representative sample" Quote Miss Martinet. I have no idea. Maybe you are a better judge of that, than me. I wonder whether any of us are a representative sample because I suspect that we are all different, in the same way that, in my experience, each Mistress is different. Maybe it would have been better if you had used the word "Some" before "men" in your post that we are discussing. Possibly even "Most men in my experience want (1) ....". Without such qualification, your post implies all men and that is certainly not correct.

06-01-2017, 19:24	#30
platelicker Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 667 Reputation: 39	So is this the sort of discourse that we should discourage if we want to attract more Mistresses to the Board?